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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 9, 2010 5:44:09 GMT
.. I read about a German serial killer called "the pink giant" (cuz he's like 6.3 tall and a transsexual who preferrably wears pink) and read how he killed 5 women and raping the dead bodies .. also took a baby (one vicitm's baby) and smashed it into a tree killing it .. lately he raped another transsexual in the institution for the criminal insane where he's in and drove that victim into attempted suicide ..
so I was reading that and all of a sudden one thought kept me busy.. still does: are there people so evil in this world that one could compare them to a virus and should treat them like one would treat a virus = using everything possible to eliminate this evil thing once and for all? .. can we? should we? do we have a right to .. or even a duty to do so? or do we dehumanize ourselves when we're killing it? is it an inhuman act too or is it really like getting rid off a virus in this organism called world??
well yes thats what's keeping me busy these days .. seriously busy... opinions please, I need to get this thought out of my head again ..
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 18, 2010 15:27:49 GMT
Thanks for that, Noosh. It's a toughie, isn't it?
I guess my own view is that people like that just are better out of the world altogether.
I know you don't take that view but (like me and a lot of other people) you're not one-dimensional on the issue of punishment.
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Post by sandra on Sept 20, 2010 20:43:36 GMT
I think the world would be better off without a person like that.
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Post by Novak on Sept 23, 2010 15:48:02 GMT
so I was reading that and all of a sudden one thought kept me busy.. still does: are there people so evil in this world that one could compare them to a virus and should treat them like one would treat a virus = using everything possible to eliminate this evil thing once and for all? .. can we? should we? do we have a right to .. or even a duty to do so? or do we dehumanize ourselves when we're killing it? is it an inhuman act too or is it really like getting rid off a virus in this organism called world?? It matters not what you call them (animals, monsters, viruses) as long they can no longer harm anyone. We couldn't possibly get rid of all the evil in this world. It exists, and the only thing we can do is set examples that actions like these will not be tolerated in any society. You mention dehumanizing ourselves when taking severe actions (DP). The part that separates us from animals is how we treat our living and our dead. The DP is the most humane way to die, compared to how murderers killed their victims. |
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Post by sadie1263 on Sept 23, 2010 21:13:30 GMT
See it is cases like that one that keep me from being completely against the death penalty........
What is the point in keeping that person around........do you medicate them to the point that they are nothing more than a potted plant so they can't harm anyone else.......then what is the point of keeping them alive? They are never going to be a useful member of society.......you can't convince me that he's going to turn it all around and "change".........if someone wants to study his brain.....fine.....take it out.
I truly truly believe there are just cases where something went wrong when the brain developed.....and they are just never going to be anything but a monster.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 23, 2010 21:13:40 GMT
so I was reading that and all of a sudden one thought kept me busy.. still does: are there people so evil in this world that one could compare them to a virus and should treat them like one would treat a virus = using everything possible to eliminate this evil thing once and for all? .. can we? should we? do we have a right to .. or even a duty to do so? or do we dehumanize ourselves when we're killing it? is it an inhuman act too or is it really like getting rid off a virus in this organism called world?? It matters not what you call them (animals, monsters, viruses) as long they can no longer harm anyone. We couldn't possibly get rid of all the evil in this world. It exists, and the only thing we can do is set examples that actions like these will not be tolerated in any society. You mention dehumanizing ourselves when taking severe actions (DP). The part that separates us from animals is how we treat our living and our dead. The DP is the most humane way to die, compared to how murderers killed their victims. An excellent post, Novak. The sad truth is that people who commit murder are 'human, all too human.' Animals kill for food; most humans kill for totally transient reasons. |
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 23, 2010 21:17:02 GMT
I agree with you, Sadie.
I'm probably one of the most reluctant pros around but I honestly can't see how anything is gained by keeping alive people like that.
Execution seems to me the only remedy.
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Post by Novak on Sept 24, 2010 12:10:29 GMT
See it is cases like that one that keep me from being completely against the death penalty........ The DP isn't going to scare anyone if the Justice System hand picks the worst of the worse. The only thing I don't like about the DP is that it isn't consistent enough. One life taken is one life too many. I agree. There is no point, only to waste tax dollars on keeping them alive in prison. Agreed, though most psychopaths are not violent. You choose to kill someone, you suffer the consequence. It's that simple. |
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 27, 2010 22:03:54 GMT
See it is cases like that one that keep me from being completely against the death penalty........ The DP isn't going to scare anyone if the Justice System hand picks the worst of the worse. The only thing I don't like about the DP is that it isn't consistent enough. One life taken is one life too many . That's where we disagree, Novak. Of course every murder has a victim but I just can't get my head around the idea that the life of Hitler was worth as much as those of the various people who tried and failed to assassinate him. Nor can I shed tears over a Mafia hitman who gets killed by a rival gangster. Nor can I put the behaviour of a woman like Marianne Bachmeier, who killed the murderer and rapist of her child, on the same level as a genuine murderer. The death penalty ought to be IMHO the proper punishment for murder but I honestly DON'T think that ALL intentional killing IS murder. I'd cheerfully hang Richard Ramirez, Peter Sutcliffe or Karla Homolka myself but I honestly CAN'T look on all murders as BEING the same. Sorry to have to disagree with someone I respect as much as I do you, Novak. The legal problems are a separate issue of course. I find it quite amazing that it isnt' used more often than it is but I remain a firm advocate that it should be used. I agree. There is no point, only to waste tax dollars on keeping them alive in prison. Agreed, though most psychopaths are not violent. You choose to kill someone, you suffer the consequence. It's that simple. [/quote] |
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